Lewis, why can't you put one up?
>> Why can't I put one of my own home?
>> Yeah, why not? All these people, all
you, Lica,
>> Mandlesson,
>> Cameron, all got these houses renting
out. Why don't you put one up?
>> Well, get around it. There's a lot of
people who want them in who say, "Let
them in. Welcome. Put them up and then
we see the goodwill."
>> Right. So, D. So, what you're saying is
is that um the choice that someone who
is simply asking a question, I haven't
really said what I think about it. I'm
just asking the question about where
they're going to go. You're saying that
the choice is is that either um they are
in my home or they're on the street. Is
that the policy outcome that you're
really suggesting?
>> Oh, yeah. Why don't you put them up?
You're all for them. All them people who
say they're welcome.
>> You're right.
>> It's it's it's on me. It's You're right.
It's on me.
>> Cameron Cameron rents his house up not
in hill.
>> So, why can't he let them in it? So
Dell, so me me thinking that like there
shouldn't be in an ideal world there
shouldn't be homelessness, it's
therefore on me to take on all the
homeless people in my own home, is it?
>> No, not not the homeless people.
>> Well, there we go. But it's exactly the
same principle. It's exactly the same
principle. I'm against something. Yes,
it is. Okay. So, let's say I think there
should be an extra school in my street.
Is it incumbent upon me to run the
school myself?
>> Would you be capable of it?
>> Well, maybe. I don't know. But my point
is is this. So you're basically saying
you're basically saying you're basically
saying that you got the truth.
>> No, if you're basically you're basically
saying I'm sorry. You're basically
saying that if one person has a
political view about something if it's
basically up to you to do it yourself.
If I want a hospital in my street, it's
up to me to get the hospital myself. Is
it?
>> No. No. Don't. Lewis, see, look. Now
you're going away for it and you're
going with a different allergy. An
allergy to go take it all.
>> Don't look. You're trying to make me
look small.
>> I'm not. I'm not. Whatever it is, you
got the likes of you, you got the
linkers of this world, you got the
Camerons, right?
>> I believe that L did actually I believe
Ler actually took in a refugee. Actually
did take someone in as long
>> I don't know why you'd have to ask him.
I think it was over a year.
>> He's got six bedrooms. Yeah, it was six
bedrooms.
>> All I'm saying D, honestly, this is a
really simple question, right? And let
let's be real here, right? Let's be
real.
>> Let's be real. My question to you is
where do you think like look we can all
agree that in an ideal world these
people would not be here. We can all
agree with that we've got limited
resources. It's really tough. It's
really difficult. Right? We can all
agree that. But the fact is is that
while they're being processed they do
have to have somewhere to go. And my
simple question to you is where you
think they should go in a realistic way.
If it's not hotels and not my back
bedroom
>> back to where they back to where they
come from you got that one on t you got
that one on Tik Tok. He was in Germany.
Put it on TikTok. He's over in two days.
They go, they trace him in Germany. He's
got sacked from his job because he's
lazy. And next, he's sitting in a hotel
here. Come off. But yeah, but I know I I
hear what you're saying, D, genuinely,
but I'm just The difficulty is is that
it's all very well saying where where
they came from. But for example, let's
say someone comes from Afghanistan. We
don't have a returns agreement with
that. No, but No, you can't just say
that. What do you mean? What do you
mean? We can't just say that. We We do
that. We don't We can't fly people in.
We can't fly people in. We don't have a
returns agreement. What you gonna do?
Parachute them in? Air drop them in?
What are you gonna do? Seriously, how do
you take someone back to Afghanistan?
>> You take no more flights from
Afghanistan.
>> They're not coming in and all that.
>> They're not coming in on flights.
They're coming on boats.
>> No, you take more. You don't have no
more dealings with them.
>> There are no direct flights from Carbal
to London.
>> So, that's gone. So, let's say that.
>> Look, they're not all Afghanistan. You
take it from me.
>> No, they're not. But there's a huge
number. Afghan Afghanistan is just an
example D. I'm just saying when you
don't have a returns agreement. It's all
very well to say just send them back.
That's very simple. They would do if
they could. They can't. So my question
to you is
>> Can I just say one? Please do. Please
do.
>> Can I give you one answer? I'll give you
one to you. Tell me why they get asylum
here from these countries. Right. And I
know it. I work in the building. Right.
You tell me why they get asylum. And as
soon as they get asylum, I know etrans,
right, who's gone back for 6 weeks
holiday,
>> right? Well, I mean,
>> how can you be running away from all
this and then they go back for holiday?
>> You will accept though, D, that there
will there will be people who are
genuine have genuine need of asylum.
>> I'll tell you how many of them are in
genuine need of asylum. You'd be lucky
to get one in 100.
>> And what on what basis do you say that,
D?
>> Yeah, Lewis,
>> I'm a Londoner. I've been around the
place all my life, right? I work in the
building. I see it. I got two eyes in my
head and I see it and I hear things. I'm
just saying I hear things. If you heard
it, if you heard
>> Well, I hear things as well. I hear that
there are people who in genuine need of
asylum.
>> Where does that get us? We can all say I
hear things.
>> Yeah. I just look Do you run off? Are
you married, Lewis?
>> I am. Yes. Do
>> you run off and leave the family at home
and go and get on a boat and go
somewhere? run through about a dozen
countries and go somewhere through on a
boat and go over onto there. Leave the
white and kids at home.
>> Why would I do that?
>> Well, this is what they're doing, aren't
they? Where's the kids? Where's the
women?
>> I don't live in a country that's in
civil war yet, at least.
>> Ah, yeah. It's the ruination of this
country. The ruination. I've seen it.
I'm just coming to the end of my time,
right? I ain't got long left. I'm an old
66, right?
>> Oh, don't say that, D. You got plenty of
time. 66. That's not an old man.
>> Fact. Look, it's fact, right? And what's
being left for the kids, I hold my
breath. I feel sorry for him. I I look
at them and I feel sorry for him.
>> Well, look, D.
>> All right, you later on, Louis.
>> All right. Well, I I appreciate your
time, D, and I appreciate the the
spirited and I hope respectful
conversation on both sides, D. Um, I
still look I I do understand why people
are so I do understand why people are
annoyed. really do and I think something
has got to be done clearly because it is
undermining it's not good for the
genuine asylum seekers and it's not good
for the immigration system it's not good
for people's sense of control it's not
good for people's sense of cohesion so
maybe we do have to think really
radically about what we do but it
doesn't to try and stop people coming
but but but and I I would be up to you
know what like and and the windows moved
in my own thinking on this the ECR
European Convention on Human Rights I
think that we shouldn't withdraw from it
unilaterally. But there are a lot of
countries out there. Maybe the the
asylum legal architecture does have to
be reviewed. It was written in the
1940s. Maybe it does need to be
reviewed. Let's do that with other
countries and change some of the legal
framework around this. That could be a
perfectly good solution to this or at
least part of the thinking. Totally up
for that. But it does not change the
fact that we need somewhere to put these
people now, today, tomorrow, next week.
And I still haven't really heard from
anyone a satisfactory answer to